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Don’t connect downspouts directly to yard drains

August 6th, 2013 | 8 comments

One of the main jobs of gutters is to direct water away from the building, which helps to prevent wet basements and foundation problems.  When downspouts drain right next to the building, water gets concentrated to one location, which is usually worse than no gutters at all.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: downspout extensions are important.

The photo below shows a nice example of a house with long downspout extensions carrying water a good distance away from the house.

Long downspout extensions

Corrugated TubeWhile the setup above is great for the house, some people prefer not to have the downspout extensions so visible.  Dealing with the walkway can also be an issue; the easy options are to create a trip hazard by running the downspout across the walkway, or a slip hazard by stopping the downspout short of the walkway, which will make for an icy mess in the winter.  A better solution is to have the downspouts discharge into yard drains, which most commonly consist of black corrugated 4″ tubing, shown at right. This tubing gets buried in the yard and eventually terminates at a lower point, allowing water to drain away from the building.

This is the same stuff that I mentioned in a recent blog post while discussing sump pumps discharging to a yard drain.  Just like the discharge tubing from a sump pump, connecting a downspout directly into an underground drain can allow for ice to back up.  Don’t do this.

Downspout connected to yard drain

While a blocked sump pump discharge can lead to a wet basement, so can blocked downspouts.  The home pictured below had a downspout discharging directly into an underground yard drain that filled with ice, and ended up leaking a lot of water in to the basement during the course of my inspection.

Downspout with ice backing up

The infrared image of the same corner in the basement shows how wet the wall was during the inspection, all as a result of ice backing up and finding it’s way into the house.

Wet basement from downspout blockage

This water intrusion could have been avoided by having the downspout discharging to a drain receptor instead. While this may appear to be a direct connection, the downspout shown below ends approximately 1″ above the top of the drain receptor. From there, a yard drain takes the water to a lower point in the yard.

Downspout with air gap

It obviously takes some planning to get a system set up like this, but this is a great way of managing water from downspouts, and it’s especially easy to do with new construction before the walkways are poured.

Author: Reuben Saltzman, Structure Tech Home Inspections

          

8 responses to “Don’t connect downspouts directly to yard drains”

  1. Aaron
    August 9, 2013, 7:21 am

    It seems to me that in either of your preferred setups (the long gutters, or the gap), snow and ice could easily freeze in the long gutter or in between the gap and cause the same problem. For example, I previously had a short gutter run and it got covered with snow and froze in the winter, causing a problem like the one you describe here. Does one have to keep the end of the gutter (or the gap) free of ice in the winter?

  2. Reuben Saltzman
    August 9, 2013, 1:13 pm

    Hi Aaron,

    Yes, the downspouts could certainly still fill with ice; it’s happened to me. I don’t know of any cure-all solution, short of installing heat cables in the gutters. I’ve never tried keeping the bottoms of the gutters cleared of ice.

  3. Tim
    August 14, 2013, 1:40 pm

    This is great info! What type of contractor does someone contact to see if this is an option? Needing to go under a paved walkway probably requires some special drilling tools/options?

  4. Reuben Saltzman
    August 14, 2013, 1:42 pm

    Tim – contact a landscape contractor. I’ve heard of the trench being buried below an existing walkway, but I don’t know how it’s done.

  5. Dryman
    August 30, 2013, 7:19 am

    Only the surface laid leg extensions are right here. ANY underground pipe that comes to within 2-ft of a structure is an active flood doing CONSTANT damage to the foundation, water finally entering the living space or showing signs inside is just a matter of time to find or make water paths. ALL ground pipes must be shallow & have a pitched 3-ft by 3-ft (minimum) water reflector buried right underneath it to contact the structure & ensure no water ever can head toward the structure. I had abundant wall damage, musty smell, the basement collected up to a foot of water with most rains & sump pumps died annually. Then, I decided to do what none of these “Dry Basement” CROOKS won’t ever do. I spent 3-hours digging out my ground pipes within 6-ft of the house & put on downspout leg extensions. Now, I’m completely dry all of the time & got rid of the sump pump along with CONtractors for anything else ever!

  6. Reuben Saltzman
    August 30, 2013, 11:54 am

    @Dryman – I’m glad you were able to fix your problem, but I disagree with your hard line approach to water management. You said “ANY underground pipe that comes to within 2-ft of a structure is an active flood doing CONSTANT damage to the foundation, water finally entering the living space or showing signs inside is just a matter of time to find or make water paths.” That’s simply not true.

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