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Roof Vents: Problems and Solutions

By In Roof Vents On December 24, 2013


Back when I first started doing home inspections, I was under the impression that roof ventilation was the cure-all for everything.  I would look at a lot of problems and quickly point to insufficient roof ventilation as the cause, and recommend more roof ventilation as the cure.

Blistered shingles?  Not enough roof ventilation.

Ice dams?  Not enough roof ventilation.

Frost in the attic?  Not enough roof ventilation.

Today I’m much more ho-hum on roof ventilation.  Take it or leave it.  Asphalt shingle manufacturers require roof ventilation to help preserve the life of the shingles, despite the fact that the color of shingles will have a greater effect on their life expectancy than roof ventilation will.  An attic with insufficient ventilation will get warmer than a well ventilated attic, which may increase the temperature of the shingles, which may decrease the life of the shingles… just a little.  Proper ventilation will also help to keep the attic space cooler during the winter, which may help to prevent ice dams.  Let me say that again; proper ventilation may help prevent ice dams.  I’m not saying it will, but it might.  The same thing goes for frost in the attic; as I mentioned last week in my post about frost in the attic, proper ventilation may reduce frost accumulation in attics, but it won’t prevent it.

In other words, roof ventilation certainly isn’t a cure for any condition, but it’s still required.  Roof vent manufacturers publish installation instructions that are easy to read and should be easy to follow, and roof ventilation is required in section R806 of the building code, but a lot of folks either don’t read the instructions or they don’t care.  Today I’m going to go over a few of the most common roof vent installation errors and issues.

Mixed Exhaust Vents

For proper ventilation, both high and low vents should be installed.  On paper, the high vents are supposed to act like exhaust vents while the low vents should act like intake vents.  Convection is supposed to help make this happen.  In reality, it all depends on how the wind blows, convection has little to no effect, and it’s never perfect.  The intake vents will typically be soffit vents, while the exhaust vents may consist of ridge vents, turbine vents, box vents, or powered vents… but only one of those.  The photo below shows an example of these different types of vents, all installed on the same roof, which is a no-no.

Four roof vents

When different types of roof vents are installed, there is an increased potential for air in the attic to basically short-circuit.  In the photo above, the power vent would probably end up sucking in air from all of the other high vents in the photo, while pulling in just a small amount of air from the lower soffit vents.  The solution here is to install only one type of exhaust vent.

Power Vents

Power vents shouldn’t be used because they create more problems than they fix.  I blogged about this earlier this year: Attic Fans Won’t Fix Ice Dams (or anything else).  I use the terms ‘attic fan’ and ‘powered roof vent’ interchangeably.  I also use the terms ‘roof vent’ and ‘attic vent’ interchangeably.

Crooked Turbine Vents

I’ve never been a huge fan of turbine vents because I have it in my head that they may end up causing some of the same problems that powered roof vents do, but the fine folks at Complete Building Solutions swear by ‘em, and I trust those guys, so I won’t complain about turbine vents.  The one thing I’ll mention is that turbine vents need to be installed perfectly level; when they’re not installed level, they don’t turn.  In the photo below, the vent on the left wasn’t level.  Do you see anything else that’s wrong in the photo?

Crooked Turbine Vent Small

The other thing about turbine vents is that they really do pull air out of the attic; if air sealing hasn’t been performed in the attic, they’ll pull air into the attic from inside the house, and shouldn’t be used.  That bears repeating: do not install turbine vents if the attic has not been professionally air-sealed.  

Insufficient intake vents

Current standards specify a 50/50 split between high vents and low vents, but how are low vents supposed to be installed in a house with no soffits?

No soffits

Without any low vents, the high vents will tend to pull conditioned house air into the attic through attic air leaks.  One solution would be to install fascia vents, and another less desirable option would be to install a bunch of box vents low down on the roof.  I could go on and on with these roof vent installation errors or shortcomings, but I never make a huge deal about any of this stuff because I don’t think it makes a ton of a difference.  As I mentioned at the end of last week’s blog post about frost in the attic, focus on sealing attic bypasses before addressing ventilation.  Ventilation mostly helps to hide other problems.

For more reading material on roof ventilation, check out the links below:

  • Green Building Advisor: All About Attic Ventilation – this article looks at all of the reasons that attic venting is required, and goes on to say they’re all ho-hum reasons.  I completely agree.
  • Building Science Corporation: Understanding Attic Ventilation – a discussion of vented vs. unvented attics.
  • Building Research Council-School of Architecture: Early History of Attic Ventilation – A long explanation of why our current rules for attic ventilation are arbitrary.  This is a fascinating read.

Author: Reuben Saltzman, Structure Tech Home Inspections

          


About the Author

Reuben

Reuben is a second generation home inspector with a passion for his work. He grew up remodeling homes and learning about carpentry since he was old enough to hold a hammer. Reuben has worked for Structure Tech since it was purchased by Neil in 1997, and is now co-owner of the company. Reuben’s favorite customers are the ones who have a lot of questions; he grew up thinking he was going to be a school teacher because he enjoyed teaching others so much. In a sense, that’s a lot of what home inspections are about, so Reuben truly does what he loves. Reuben has an A.A. degree in liberal arts and has attended most of the Building Inspection Technology classes at North Hennepin Community College. Reuben and his wife are the proud parents of two young childen, Cy Alexander and Lucy Nicole, and have a German Shepherd named Stanley. With two young children Reuben doesn’t have much free time, but he still tries to play disc golf as often as possible during the summer. Reuben lives in Maple Grove, MN. Professional Qualifications / Memberships: *ASHI Certified Inspector *President, ASHI Heartland Chapter *Member, Minnesota Society of Housing Inspectors (MSHI) *Licensed Minneapolis Truth-in-Sale of Housing Evaluator *Licensed Saint Paul Truth-in-Sale of Housing Evaluator *Licensed Maplewood Truth-in-Sale of Housing Evaluator *Licensed Hopkins Truth-in-Housing Evaluator *Licensed Robbinsdale Point of Sale Evaluator *Affiliate Member, Southern Twin Cities Association of Realtors

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17 Comments

  • Serena Bietz 8 MONTHS AGO

    Help help Please. Desperate. My 7 yr old son thought it would be a good idea to put twigs and sticks in the roof sewer vent of our home. Do I need to state how much of an issue this is to our system?? Omg nothing is unclogging this. How do I get these sticks clear???? Please anyone. And we dont have the cash for big bucks but is that where this is going???

    • Reuben Saltzman 8 MONTHS AGO

      Go rent a big sewer snake and clean out the drains. If that doesn't do it, hire a drain cleaning service to do it professionally.

  • pervaiz khan 9 MONTHS AGO

    i did check my attic and insulation around base of vent pipe seems dry.u mentioned in your article that condensation can be caused by bathroom /kitchen fan,how do i locate the bathroom fan bypass,do i need to go to the attic or take the bathroom fan assembly out within the bathroom,how to check if fan is working properly

    • Reuben Saltzman 9 MONTHS AGO

      @pervaiz - you'll need to go in the attic to look for it. http://www.homeenergyresourcemn.org/stream_document.aspx?rRID=5980&pRID=5959

  • pervaiz khan 9 MONTHS AGO

    why i am having sending u email thanks pervaiz

  • Bob 10 MONTHS AGO

    Notice in the test you linked to the blower was only across the top of the ridge, not the entire house and the back side soffit vents were omitted from the video. Of course this isn't real world, the fan should be on the entire surface of the house to show how the attic air actually blows OUT the soffit vents on he back side of the house. Another thing is in the static tests (no blower) he didn't just leave the roof "open" for very long. It would have shown how much more air was moved with NO VENT than with a ridge vent. And that's just the "tricks" I was able to see in the sales presentation. Other manufacturers have similar videos showing their product is superior with similar "magic tricks". I'd like to see independent testing of ALL types of vents to show what really works and what doesn't. I will say roof COLOR and the addition of a radiant barrier under the roof decking make BIG differences in attic temperature. My favorite attic to go in during the summer is one that has been spray foamed under the roof decking, it's cooler in the attic than the outdoor temperatures!! If it just wasn't so costly to have it done...

  • Bob 10 MONTHS AGO

    Tim Carter doesn't believe in ridge vents either. http://www.askthebuilder.com/roof-vent/ The list goes on, I'd like to see an independent test of a ridge vent that actually works (with video on a real house preferably). Get the brand/model/design if you find one that works. Another scam is the solar attic fans, ridiculous CFM data from their tiny motors. No way a 20W motor is moving 600+ CFM!!! Yet you will see no independent testing showing the contrary.

  • Bob 10 MONTHS AGO

    I'd like to see a test NOT sponsored/done by a manufacturer showing that roof vents actually work. Every video I've been able to find showing they work is done by a manufacturer, most on "test buildings", not actual houses... Another example of ridge vents that don't work: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/459qOpohEXs

  • Bob 10 MONTHS AGO

    I've only seen a few that were clogged, most don't flow any air to begin with. Note that the Lomaco video does NOT include static vents or roof turbines. I'd like to see how those do in a smoke test, preferably on a real house. This is how most ridge vents work in the real world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyIw2GTiKvQ

  • Mark Erickson 10 MONTHS AGO

    Dave, I'm going to make an educated guess that the lighter the better for shingles. They reflect light better so absorb less heat. Reuben, been reading a lot of old posts and really appreciate them. Too bad I only started reading after my recent buyer's inspection. Next time, I'll give you a call!

  • Charles Buell 10 MONTHS AGO

    Reuben, this is so true. WAY more important to deal with why the moisture is getting into the attic than trying to get it out. I have seen many perfectly vented roofs with huge moisture issues.

    • Reuben Saltzman 10 MONTHS AGO

      @Charles - same here my friend. I've also found plenty of pristine attics with very little ventilation provided; I'll bet you have too.

  • Dave 10 MONTHS AGO

    Great post! During our recent second floor remodel the insulation guy offered blown in for the same price as rolled fiberglass so we went with that. However it covered up all the vents. Do you think that was a poor decision? We never had soffit vents so I think we never had decent ventilation to begin with. It has really paid off in my heating bills, they have dropped 50%. Also, what color shingles last the longest and shortest?

  • Bob 10 MONTHS AGO

    Keep in mind that the "fan curve" of a turbine is very different than a powered vent. A turbines "static pressure" doesn't increase much when airflow is low. On the other hand a powered vent pulls MUCH harder when airflow is reduced, static pressures get high really quick. Oddly enough when static pressures are low and there is a mind breeze of 5-10mph both vents pull about the same amount of air. Most ridge vents are basically junk and won't move any significant amount of air. The "filters" that most of them use are simply too restrictive when dealing with the relatively low static pressures. If they do work, they won't for long because the filter will soon clog up with the dusty attic air. Static vents are only slightly better if the temperatures in the attic are warm enough. Do a smoke test on different ventilation types and you will quickly see what works and what doesn't.

    • Reuben Saltzman 10 MONTHS AGO

      @Bob - do you have any photos of clogged filters at ridge vents? I've heard claims of clogged ridge vents dozens of times, but I've never actually seen a clogged ridge vent myself. For some nice videos comparing different types of ridge vents along with smoke tests, check out Lomanco's web site. Here's one such video: